What happens when an undercover FBI agent faces down hate groups, cartels, and spiritual darkness—and still holds fast to his faith?

In this gripping Part 1 interview, Scott Payne, former FBI agent and New York Times bestselling author of Codename: Pale Horse, joins Steve to share his incredible journey. From growing up in a Christian home to infiltrating America's most violent criminal networks, Scott opens up about the challenges of living for Jesus in the darkest places on earth.

🎙️ You’ll hear:

How Scott integrated faith into his high-stakes undercover work

His chilling encounter with demonic forces that changed his life forever

The wild story of how a school talent show led to his first covert mission

The emotional and spiritual cost of his work—and how God used it all for redemption

🙏 Whether you're in ministry, law enforcement, or just looking for hope in hard places, this episode will both shock and inspire you.

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Chapters

00:00 Undercover Operations: A High-Stakes Job

02:43 The Journey of a Christ Follower in Law Enforcement

05:56 Challenges and Triumphs in the FBI

08:45 The Path to Becoming an Undercover Agent

11:55 Childhood Influences and Early Experiences

14:53 The Impact of Peer Pressure and Identity

18:00 Spiritual Awakening and Transformation

20:54 Navigating the World of Law Enforcement

23:37 The Role of Faith in a Dangerous Profession

26:42 First Experiences in Undercover Work

29:58 Career Decisions and Law Enforcement Aspirations

41:25 The Evolution of Undercover Work

49:32 Infiltrating the Outlaws: A Deep Dive

01:00:33 The High-Stakes Drug Deal

01:11:55 Faith and Resilience in the Face of Danger

01:23:17 Redemption Stories and Community Support